PERS legislative committee hears actuaries on funding, first-responder carve-outs and return-to-work; no funding vote

The Public Employees Retirement System of Mississippi legislative committee on Monday heard in-depth briefings from two outside actuarial firms on the system's funding outlook, discussed proposed first-responder carve-outs and return-to-work rules, and reviewed several funding scenarios the board may ask the Legislature to consider. No formal vote on additional funding or ADEC adoption was taken at the committee meeting.

The committee heard presentations from Ed Coble of CABMAC and Paul Wood of GRS, who explained long-term projections showing rising retiree benefit payments and the need for additional contributions or lump-sum funding to reduce the system's unfunded liability. Wood summarized his message to legislators as "pay now or pay a whole lot more later." Ray (staff member) and several board members discussed trade-offs among payroll-based funding, targeted cash infusions and the board's Actuarially Determined Employer Contribution (ADEC) recommendation.

Why this matters: PERS faces a multi-billion-dollar unfunded liability that, under current law and assumptions, keeps the funded ratio near the mid-50s over three decades unless contributions or other changes are adopted. Committee discussion focused on how additional funding would be sourced and the potential effects of creating a separate retirement arrangement for first responders.

Most important details - Actuaries: CABMAC and GRS presented projections based on the 2024 valuation, the new Tier 5 design from House Bill 1, and an assumed 7% long-term investment return. GRS noted the unfunded liability is roughly $26 billion under current assumptions and projected benefit payments could grow from about $3 billion today to over $5 billion by the mid-2040s without additional action. (Paul Wood, GRS; Ed Coble, CABMAC) - ADEC and contribution schedule: The board's ADEC recommendation from last year was 25.92% of payroll; the statutory employer contribution is currently scheduled to phase to 19.9% of payroll. Speakers said the ADEC figure can change year-to-year because of investment returns and actuarial changes; the committee discussed risks tied to the five-year smoothing method for investment gains/losses and how rolling off the recent large gain will affect projections. (Ed Coble) - Funding scenarios presented: GRS and CABMAC modeled multiple options: (a) maintain baseline contributions (19.9%) and rely on investment returns; (b) one-time lump sums ($500M, $1B, $2B, $4B) to improve funded status; (c) recurring supplemental infusions (examples included $50M/yr for 10 years, $200M/yr for 30 years); and (d) moving toward an actuarially determined contribution (ADC) over time (Wyoming example). Actuaries emphasized lump sums can materially reduce long-term costs but carry deployment/timing risk. (Paul Wood, GRS) - First-responder carve-outs: Committee members reported that some stakeholders have commissioned studies on creating a separate retirement plan or different benefit parameters for first responders. Staff said the group that requested the study did not include detailed cost estimates or actuarial costing; actuaries agreed that a law change could create added costs and potentially an initial unfunded liability for a new separate plan. Board members warned that carving out groups risks fragmenting a consolidated plan and shifting costs. (Ray; Ed Coble; Senator Sparks) - Return-to-work and in-service distributions: The committee discussed revising Mississippi's return-to-work rules and the possibility of permitting in-service distributions for members age 59— or older. Legal counsel from Ice Miller explained federal tax rules require a bona fide break in service to avoid disqualification unless an in-service distribution is specifically designed to comply with IRS requirements; state law currently sets a 90-day break-in-service. Actuarial staff said broad changes could increase short-term retiree counts and raise plan liabilities until assumptions are updated. (Audra, Ice Miller; Paul Wood; Ed Coble)

What speakers said - Paul Wood (GRS, actuary): "pay now or pay a whole lot more later." Wood described how additional short-term lump sums could substantially improve funded ratios and reduce total contributions over multi-decade projections. - Ed Coble (CABMAC, actuary): Coble walked the committee through the components of the funding equation and warned that investment volatility remains the plan's primary risk; he also reviewed scenarios that produce materially different funded-ratio paths depending on timing and amount of cash infusions. - Senator Sparks (committee participant): Urged that any decisions consider local employer impacts and noted the political and practical constraints of directing cities and counties to absorb sharp employer-rate increases.

What the committee decided and next steps - No formal vote was taken on funding levels, ADEC adoption or carve-out legislation during the meeting. The board expects updated valuation and ADEC numbers in December; staff and actuaries said they will present a formal ADEC recommendation to the board at that time for the board to consider and, if adopted, to transmit to the Legislature. - Actuaries recommended any bill that would change benefit parameters (for first responders or others) be sent to actuaries for specific costing before proceeding so fiscal effects are known.

Clarifying details extracted from the meeting - ADEC recommended to the Legislature last year: 25.92% of payroll (Paul Wood/CABMAC discussion). - Statutory employer contribution schedule: scheduled to phase to 19.9% of payroll under current law (discussed repeatedly by staff and actuaries). - Actuarial/investment assumptions discussed: 7% investment assumption, FY25 reported investment return 11.6% (presenters); 5-year smoothing in use; rolling off the recent large gain will affect short-term ADEC. - Sample funding scenarios: $500M lump sum + $50M/yr for 10 years; $1B lump sum; $200M/yr for 30 years; $500M upfront then $100M/yr for 29 years. Estimated long-term contribution totals and funded-ratio outcomes were presented by GRS (details in actuarial slides).

Speakers (attributions used in this article) - Ed Coble, actuary, CABMAC (presenter) - Paul Wood, actuary, GRS (presenter) - Senator Sparks, state senator (committee participant) - Ray, staff member (PERS staff) - Audra, attorney, Ice Miller (legal counsel)

Authorities referenced - House Bill 1 (2024) (type: statute) referenced_by:["legislative committee discussion"] - PERS ADEC recommendation / board funding policy (type: policy) referenced_by:["legislative committee discussion"] - Internal Revenue Code (federal tax qualification rules for retirement plans) (type: other) referenced_by:["return-to-work discussion","in-service distribution discussion"]

Actions extracted from the transcript (legislative committee) - {"kind":"other","motion":"Presentation and discussion of ongoing and upcoming legislative activity; receive actuarial briefings and provide direction","notes":"No formal funding vote taken; staff to return with updated valuation/ADEC in December","outcome":"no_action"}

Provenance (transcript evidence) - {"block_id":"398.38498","local_start":0,"local_end":120,"evidence_excerpt":"Yes. Yes sir. Thank you. So the first handout... ongoing and upcoming legislative activity..." ,"reason_code":"topicintro"} - {"block_id":"7785.54","local_start":0,"local_end":160,"evidence_excerpt":"...PERS requested legislation, subject to the committee... I'd like to ask for your approval of the PERS requested legislation.","reason_code":"topicfinish"}

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