The Senate Finance Committee heard questions about funding for the state Public Defender Program and whether restored positions would eliminate use of private contractors, with Judicial Council officials telling senators the money would let public defenders reopen courts but would not remove the legal need for outside counsel in conflict cases.

The committee’s executive director introduced the Judicial Council’s representatives and the incoming and outgoing directors of the Public Defender Program before senators asked whether restored positions would replace contractors. The Judicial Council executive director said, “With the additional money ... there would not be any use of contractors besides that which is necessary to cover conflicts of interest.”

Why it matters: Committee members raised concern that without restored positions, the state relies on contractors and assigned counsel to handle cases when the public defender’s office is overcapacity or has a conflict, increasing cost and complicating continuity of representation. Senators put items 1a, 1b and 1c on hold while they review related budget language.

Committee discussion and details: A senator asked directly: “If this money is put back in, are you still gonna be contracting with the ... public defenders organization to come in?” The Judicial Council representative answered that contractors would remain necessary "simply due to conflict of interest reasons" and where courts have been closed for capacity reasons the restored funding would allow the public defender to reopen those courts. The official clarified there are two categories of private attorneys used when public defenders cannot take a case: contract attorneys and assigned counsel, differing mainly in compensation method; the Judicial Council refers to both as conflict counsel.

The committee also asked whether the Judicial Council could return to the fiscal committee to request additional funds specifically for contract and assigned counsel; the Judicial Council answered that it could. Senators pressed whether contractors might be unavailable if not retained, and the Judicial Council cautioned that contractor availability cannot be guaranteed attorney by attorney.

Action taken: The committee placed items 1a, 1b and 1c on hold pending further review and follow-up questions from senators.

Ending: Committee members asked the Judicial Council to provide follow-up detail about contractor costs and the practical effects of restored positions; those hold items will be revisited in future meetings.