Hearing questions whether presidential pardons and inspector-general removals weakened fraud oversight
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Members pressed witnesses on whether presidential pardons and the removal of inspectors general have undercut fraud prevention, citing testimony that IGs identified about $50 billion in savings last year and that roughly 19 inspectors general have been fired.
An unidentified representative opened a hearing by saying fraud is real and must be prosecuted, and accused Republican colleagues of "selective outrage" on the issue while highlighting actions by President Donald Trump that the speaker said have weakened federal fraud oversight.
"Fraud is real, fraud is wrong, and fraud should be prosecuted, period," the Unidentified Representative said, and added that Mr. Trump "has pardoned fraudster after fraudster" and removed officials whose job it was to find fraud.
The hearing included a line of questioning about pardons at the state level after the Unidentified Representative asked whether a hypothetical Minnesota pardon for individuals convicted of fraud would damage fraud-prevention efforts there. An Unidentified Witness declined to answer categorically, saying the outcome "would really depend on the specifics of the facts of the case and the law" and that they do not participate in Minnesota's pardon process. "I want everyone who's committed a crime to be prosecuted and held accountable," the witness said.
When asked how firing independent inspectors general and other investigators affects fraud prevention, an Unidentified Speaker described inspectors general as "one of the best investments that the government can make," saying that last year IGs identified an estimated $50,000,000,000 in savings from duplicated programs and criminal fraud. The speaker also said there is evidence suggesting that "at least some of them have been fired specifically because they were going after enemies, or allies of this administration," and that with roughly 19 IGs removed, "that work literally is not happening." The speaker identified themselves in questioning as a former prosecutor.
The committee entered a CNN article dated 02/11/2025 titled "USAID IG fired day after report critical of impacts of Trump administration" into the record by unanimous consent.
The hearing record shows disagreement over the causes and consequences of pardons and removals: some members framed the issue as partisan weaponization of oversight, while witnesses emphasized legal complexity and case-by-case considerations. The committee continued to the next item after the article was entered into the record.